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It's all in the stars...

Just chatting to an astrologer friend the other evening about what a difficult year this has been for so many people. She pointed out that Pluto has been going backwards and forwards all year on the cusp between Sagittarius and Capricorn. Pluto is about fundamentals - things that affect all of us on a worldwide scale - and it often feels as though our very foundations are being shifted as it changes signs.

In 1984, Pluto moved into Scorpio (sex and death), bringing HIV and Aids into focus; in 1995 it shifted into Sagittarius (travel and religion), bringing religious fundamentalism to the fore on the world stage. Capricorn is the cardinal earth sign, symbolising the earth, obviously - climate change and our natural resources - as well as banking and the financial foundations of society.

The good news is that Pluto settles into Capricorn for the next 16 years at the end of this month, which means an end to that shifting and uncertainty. However it also means we're going to have to take a long, hard look at the fundamentals of our attitudes towards the earth and her finite resources, and it may also mean that there may have to be a fundamental shift in our economic and financial structure.

Pluto always has to be somewhere - it never just goes away. My guess is that in 2024 when it moves into Aquarius is that its focus will move onto technology. Remember, you heard it here first... Wink

(Apologies if this should have been in the Paranormal forum, but I thought it was interesting. Do feel free to tell me off if you feel it shouldn't be here)

Posted at 12th Nov 2008 - 12:21PM   Posted by LittleBrownDog   It's all in the stars... Comments: 26

Westerwitch's Avatar Really interesting post - and no reason why it shouldn't be here - but please do copy and paste it into the paranormal as well so that we don't lose it.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 12th Nov 2008 at 12:26PM

Woozle1967's Avatar Interesting stuff, LBD. Whatever is happening out there, I think that society is slowly waking up to the fact that there isn't unending anything - resources, money, time, and that our planet is a very precious thing. Isn't it amazing how quickly we have adapted to the new way of thinking regarding carrier bags? Now, when I go shopping, everyone else I see brings their own bags and those that don't always seem to be apologetic about it.

Posted by: Woozle1967 on 12th Nov 2008 at 12:33PM

ChrisH's Avatar Does that mean it's going to get better or worse??

Posted by: ChrisH on 12th Nov 2008 at 12:33PM

Woozle1967's Avatar Better - it will always get better! Says she of the half-full glass theory.x

Posted by: Woozle1967 on 12th Nov 2008 at 12:36PM

LittleBrownDog's Avatar Oooh, thanks for your nice comments (was wondering if it was a bit esoteric for the common room).

No, it's not really a question of getting better or worse. The outer trans-saturnian planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto) don't really have a moral dimension as such, it's a question of how you deal with what they bring. It's a bit like saying is TV good or bad? Or is the internet good or bad?

To answer your question, Chris, it's going to be just as challenging but in a different way. But forewarned is forearmed, I always think...

Posted by: LittleBrownDog on 12th Nov 2008 at 12:47PM

Fennie's Avatar As I read this I wondered who? I didn't think it was you I have to confess, but then, like me you are a Feng Shui adherent. I try to persuade people of the scientific experiments that have shown, pretty conclusively that the time of year in which you are born does have an influence on people's careers. Soldiers, for instance, aren't born in the same months as doctors or artists - or at least with the same frequency.

Anecdotally I find I have little difficulty in spotting those born in Aries and my best friends have been either Taureans, like me, or Capricorns. As for Pluto, the problem is the poor rock was only discovered recently. What does that say about pre-Pluto astrology? And its cycles are so long - so how, I ask myself, could astrologers have observed the broad effects it is alleged to have and related them to its cycles?

Posted by: Fennie on 12th Nov 2008 at 01:01PM

Exmoorjane's Avatar Fascinating LBD....I do hope it gets easier (said in heartfelt anguish)..
Ah Fennie - so that's why we get on! Capricorn here....
I can't help but find there is something in astrology - no matter how mad it might sound. But then, hey, I'm into feng shui too.... Mock away, ye sceptics.

Posted by: Exmoorjane on 12th Nov 2008 at 01:25PM

Milla's Avatar tell me, Fennie, more than I'm quite brave enough to hear, about Pisceans...

Posted by: Milla on 12th Nov 2008 at 01:26PM

LittleBrownDog's Avatar Well of course you're a Taurus, Fennie. Just look at your avatar - how could you be anything else? And Mootia's a Taurus, too. How can anyone say there's nothing in astrology? Rolling Eyes

As you say, Pluto was discovered only in the 1930s, but it has always been there and apparently having an effect. Last time Pluto was in Sagittarius was when Luther and non-conformists broke away from the established church which I'm sure people of the time would have viewed as dangerous as today's fundamentalists. Last time Pluto was in Capricorn was 1762 - when the founding fathers of today's United States were breaking away from their motherland (issues of structure, land and territory). I could bore on for England about astrology - as far as I can see, there's no scientific reason why it should work but I have absolutely no doubt that for some reason it does.

Pisceans are lovely, Milla (well, the girls are, anyway. Not quite so sure about the men...). Any astrologer would tell you that for nothing. Razz

Posted by: LittleBrownDog on 12th Nov 2008 at 02:04PM

Westerwitch's Avatar Hey LBD you are talking yourself into doing a weekly astrology piece in the paranormal forum . . .

What do the rest of you think - wouldn't that be great.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 12th Nov 2008 at 02:16PM

Milla's Avatar yeah, go on, LBD! Yet another string (albeit unlikely, having met you!) to your fine fiddle.

Posted by: Milla on 12th Nov 2008 at 02:44PM

Cait's Avatar I'm a believer!
Yes a weekly piece would be good.
I find Russell Grant is spot on with my daily (free)emailed forecast and Jonathan Cainer is a top man...his website is great.

Posted by: Cait on 12th Nov 2008 at 03:36PM

Faith's Avatar Excellent idea for a weekly piece if you can manage it LBD, or even monthly.

I'm another Taurus friend for you Fennie.

Posted by: Faith on 12th Nov 2008 at 03:56PM

Salle de Bain's Avatar Astrology is not something I ever really think about....but I always try to keep an open mind about all things.

Big 'shifts in economic and financial structures' is what's happening right now...

We've been long overdue for a bit of Global belt tightening don't you think?....The current big shake down is not a bad thing in my opinion...and in the long term I hope that it will raise peoples awareness about the 'finite resources' you mention.
Look forward to reading your weekly spot (if you do it!)

Posted by: Salle de Bain on 12th Nov 2008 at 04:05PM

Mountainear's Avatar Aquarians are ACE!

Posted by: Mountainear on 12th Nov 2008 at 04:37PM

Lawyerlady's Avatar please can we have a weekly horoscope?Very Happy

Posted by: Lawyerlady on 12th Nov 2008 at 04:41PM

Jayem's Avatar Capricorn here, married to a Piscean.. and a firm fan of Jonathan Cainer. Interesting explanation, Brown Dog - I for one have certainly been feeling the effects of change in both my working and personal life..... so hopefully Pluto's settling into 'my' sign will be a chance for things to calm down a bit?
Yes, more please!

Posted by: Jayem on 12th Nov 2008 at 04:53PM

Patsy's Avatar Patsy's a Taurean too...lover of luxury and natural materials.
Pass the Bolly hic!

Posted by: Patsy on 12th Nov 2008 at 05:03PM

Arosebyanyothername's Avatar I am a Taurean too - as Fennie knows!

Posted by: Arosebyanyothername on 12th Nov 2008 at 05:16PM

Fennie's Avatar Yes but you don't believe in astrology ARBAON! You can't be a Taurean like Faith and Mootia and Patsy and me if you don't think there is something deeply significant about being a Taurean. Anyway I thought you were on the cusp, which is not quite the same thing.

Yes, LBD - a weekly column- would be wonderful. And LBD's predictions would be superior predictions and could lead to any amount of work in magazine columns. When was PC born? Aren't we collectively Aquarian? New age, new tech, new Skool and all that - it all rather fits.

Posted by: Fennie on 12th Nov 2008 at 05:27PM

Grouse's Avatar LBD- I get on to PC so seldom when I am busy, Its GREAT to find something like this when I pop in- had it been in a forum I would never have time to find welll done! Bet you would never guess MY birthsign in a million yrs.......

Posted by: Grouse on 12th Nov 2008 at 07:00PM

Fennie's Avatar Libra?

Posted by: Fennie on 12th Nov 2008 at 07:04PM

Elizabethm's Avatar I think grouse might be Virgo or Taurus.
come on grouse, spill the beans!

Posted by: Elizabethm on 12th Nov 2008 at 09:30PM

LittleBrownDog's Avatar Oooh, how lovely to have so many of you express an interest. I'd love to do a regular astrology spot in the Paranormal forum (tho' don't think I can promise to do one EVERY week) Will give it some thought...

Only just got back on here at 10pm, having had a horrid day. Arrived back from the school run to witness clouds of smoke billowing from under my bonnet (not MY bonnet, obviously - not being a character from a Jane Austen novel). Rang up the garage and explained what was happening to the garage man. Neutral
"No, it's not the radiator (which I had replaced at GREAT expense about three weeks ago). It's coming from a kind of black flying-saucer-shaped thing in the middle of the engine."
"Does it look like a tube?"
"No, it looks like a kind of black flying saucer."
"Is it sort of cylinder-shaped then?"
"No, I told you - it looks like a black flying saucer. About a foot across"
[Slight noise of head scratching from the other end]
"And you say smoke's coming out of it?"
"Yes. Billowing."
"Hmmm. Well, I'm not sure what it is, but it sounds as though it's Kerry Packered."

Didn't see that one coming, did I?" Shocked

Posted by: LittleBrownDog on 12th Nov 2008 at 10:18PM

Elizabethm's Avatar Now come on LBD, even Jane Austen characters, at least in the novels I have read, don't have smoke billowing from under their bonnets! I suppose you might just imagine it with Emma.

Posted by: Elizabethm on 12th Nov 2008 at 10:47PM

Fennie's Avatar Both Mrs Bennett, I seem to remember, and Lizzie had smoke (or was it steam?) coming out of their ears from time to time and these must have been under their bonnets.

Posted by: Fennie on 13th Nov 2008 at 11:16AM

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