Cowart's Common Room

I was banned from Country Living. Yep that is true.

There had been gang action, everytime I tried to defend myself I was reported to the Moderator. One woman even wrote a blog about it

I was also 'stalked' in real life by a former neighbour and friend. I had to threaten legal action to get her libelous comments taken out.

The Gang moved to Rural Muse, curious I joined too and of course was 'banned' very fast.

After most people moved over to PC, matters became even nastier for those left behind. There was a gang of trolls and acolytes,

So tell me apart from the Competition why did the rest of you get banned or leave CL?

I must say that I thought this was all ancient history, but give a dog a bad name...............................

Posted at 23rd Apr 2008 - 07:29AM   Posted by Miss penelope   Banned!!! Comments: 49

Faith's Avatar Your post seems rather out of that blue - have I missed something?

I think most of us on here left CL because of the competition, simple as that.

I was banned from somewhere else a couple of years ago for daring to question the mods.

Posted by: Faith on 23rd Apr 2008 at 08:06AM

Blossomcottage's Avatar Three things that sit firmly in my inner soul from my up bringing they are.

1 No matter what, we are responsible for our own actions.

2. It does not matter what you look like on the outside as long as you are nice on the inside.


With this in mind perhaps you should look to yourself as to why you were banned from what would appear to be simple and uncomplicated community sites, I do not know the history of the ban on the other sites however I have seen some of the comments that you have left here from time to time, and feel that some have been unnecessary and far from contructive.

Others are in a far better position to decide whether your comments here are beyond the behaviour of a resonable person but if you were a girl in my class at school I would I can assure you have kept well clear and kept my head down.

I am sorry that you have clearly had some unpleasant issues in your life but they are not now or at any time the fault of any of the delightful people here.

I too have been the subject of sever bullying in the past, due to my own inadequet ablility to deal with a person who thrived on this sort of behaviour.

My sister helped me in this instance not by being kind I might add (she finds being kind quite difficult) but by being pratical.
she said

"No one has the right to make you a victim without your permission"

I have not walked a mile in your shoes and I am not sure I would want to but I think you are enjoying being a victim and if you withdrew your permission you might find life a little easier.

By the way I was not banned by CL I chose to leave because I fould a nicer place to spend my cyber hours.


Posted by: Blossomcottage on 23rd Apr 2008 at 08:08AM

Exmoorjane's Avatar Funnily enough it wasn't really the competition per se that made me leave CL. I saw all the people I had grown to like and respect leaving (and many feeling desperately hurt and angry) so it was an act of solidarity mixed with 'don't leave me behind, I want to join the party'.
I have never (to my knowledge) been banned from a site. I do however think that it is easy to take offence on-line - sometimes with cause, sometimes without. Emoticons don't really do the trick and one misses the nuances that one would get from a face-to-face conversation. I find I have to tread more carefully, far more carefully, on-line than I do in my everyday relationships. With notable exceptions of course - ie Milla who I can slag off with total inpunity as have known her for years.
Sometimes someone will say something that I find a bit snippy maybe - but I try to walk away and not respond instantly but come back to it a day later and see if it has the same slant - this was a very useful lesson I learned at CL (where I did get quite badly bullied at the beginning - not, I hasten to add, by anyone here!).
I think it's also worth saying that, on-line as well as in the 'real' world, there will be people we get on with naturally and some people who just rub us up the wrong way. That's just life. On-line, as well as in real life, the best way to deal with those we don't gel with is simply to ignore them or smile, be polite and then walk away.

Do hope nobody will be banned from Purplecoo for bad behaviour!


Posted by: Exmoorjane on 23rd Apr 2008 at 08:16AM

Exmoorjane's Avatar Our posts crossed Blossom.....j

Posted by: Exmoorjane on 23rd Apr 2008 at 08:18AM

Pondside's Avatar Thank you, Blossom, for putting into words what I've been thinking for a while now.
I've never been banned from a site. I left CL because I'd come to know a great group of people there and when the competition was revealed for the sham that it was we all moved to a place that is more fun.

Posted by: Pondside on 23rd Apr 2008 at 08:36AM

I feel I must defend Rural Muse here. It is an extremely friendly site, perhaps not so intellectural as Purple Coo but I have made some wonderful friends with whom I correspond and hope one day to meet. We left CL because of a very odd person who I assume was taken away by men in white coats. I have found all 3 sites to be welcoming and friendly.

Posted by: Quilting Cat on 23rd Apr 2008 at 08:39AM

Peterwf's Avatar I am inoccent.
I arrived at PC as a result of searching for properties in the highlands and google led me to an interesting thread.
To begin with some of the discussion were good, but they often ended up at a personal level on sniping. It was then I realised I was in a war zone.
I went to RM briefly, and was made welcome by most.
Soon it appeared that certain parties numbered me unmoungst the transgressors , so I went to ground on PC and left RM.
It was clear that I was not wanted and I have learnt from life that once a subgroup are against you it is better to leave quietly, they may not be able to get at you on the main issue, but they will get you.
So I came here and I have been on my best behaviour.

Posted by: Peterwf on 23rd Apr 2008 at 08:56AM

Lily's Avatar CL seemed to be taken over by a few cyber equivalents of those who have a compulsive need to spoil and damage, and at first CL was unable to rectify the situation. I still post there though not very often. RM is friendly and well supported by the members, with perhaps a greater number of posts being of a more general nature than here. Do not fret Miss P- I was banned from my local rubbish tip, for suggesting that the spotty youth who watched me heave a heavy metal item from my car might have said it wasn't the right place for said object before it fell to the ground. My retort that if he wanted it moved he could do so himself, led to the bann. Don't think its worth brooding on old cyber problems, time to let it go Miss P?

Posted by: Lily on 23rd Apr 2008 at 09:00AM

Faith's Avatar LilyLaughing didn't think anyone got banned from rubbish tips!Laughing

Posted by: Faith on 23rd Apr 2008 at 09:22AM

I did let it all go but recently it has all been brought to the fore again. Hence my posting.

I refuse to be a victim but do so loath bullying.

RM? I joined just to be nosy, but I do like the spark of conversation that I find here.

I should add that I wasn't the only one targeted on CL

Posted by: Miss penelope on 23rd Apr 2008 at 09:27AM

Exmoorjane's Avatar Maybe this needs to be discussed, openly and honestly but also, could I ask, calmly.
We are all grownups here and will have our opinions (and obviously strong ones) but I'd ask that everyone keeps this civilised and polite.

Posted by: Exmoorjane on 23rd Apr 2008 at 09:31AM

Blossomcottage's Avatar Well said Jane The Voice of Common Sense

Posted by: Blossomcottage on 23rd Apr 2008 at 09:40AM

Lily's Avatar Well Faith, come to Devon and just try putting something in the wrong heap! Have to say, I'm reinstated now.
Not too sure this does need revisiting, different sites suit different people. One site which shall be nameless has been taken over by the multiple exclamation mark, but it may suit others. I'm sorry Miss P if you have experienced some unpleasantness recently, but maybe it says more about the perpetrators than you? I'm very new here but have found it a lovely site and haven't come across any nastiness.

Posted by: Lily on 23rd Apr 2008 at 09:47AM

Snailbeachshepherdess's Avatar The only place I have been banned from is the Craven Arms hotel and that believe me was a pleasure ...I blogged about it last year.
My mum had many sayings of which was 'to have friends you have to become one' ....never was on CL for the competition..came to enjoy so many of the blogs and simply followed the crowd sheepy person that I am. Have loved PC, have learnt how to do computer things a lot better, use a digital camera, found friends, met new people ...having a ball! If I see something that I dont like I just read something else ...everybody is entitled to their opinion, their say whatever...I may not agree with it but I have no intention of wading in and getting in a tizz over anything is just too short...lets just enjoy it for what it is ...a group of like minded people using cyberspace for a bit of a laugh, interests and friendship

Posted by: Snailbeachshepherdess on 23rd Apr 2008 at 10:06AM

Westerwitch's Avatar I guess this is the response to my PM - which you have chosen not to answer . . . .yesterday I took down my comments to you as I felt it was unfair to do it publicly. However you are choosing to do it publicly . . .here is what I wrote to Miss P . . .'Ok going to be blunt here - no Hmmmmmmmm about it - by your own admission people don't get you, you have a life time ban from Rural Muse and CL and they happened for a reason and you upset people on this site which is becoming a problem. From some of your posts and from your support of some members on this site I know you are a compassionate and caring person and from what you have done with your life a very interesting person. I personally don't want to lose you from this site . . . but I am becoming increasingly concerned by your am I 'bovvered' attitude when confronting and upsetting others. I don't understand why you do it . . .so what is the way forward . . . do we ignore you when you get snippy, do we all end up having a row with you, or do we ban you. Because this simply cannot go on and I will, as I have done in the past put the good of the site and all its members first, before the feelings of one member. So can we work together on this Miss P, or would it be better if we parted company.'

I would very much like to work together with you on this - I don't want to 'gag' anyone, but you do upset people and I don't want to see you being attacked, or attacking.

My apologies for doing this whilst you are away and I hope we can come out of this as friends. My intention is not to upset you but to find a way forward, before it all ends in tears.


Posted by: Westerwitch on 23rd Apr 2008 at 10:08AM

Westerwitch's Avatar So what is it Miss P - can we work together on this, or do we part company - your choice. But I am not letting this continue.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 23rd Apr 2008 at 10:23AM

Camilla's Avatar I left CL because of the way the Competition turned out, and joined here because I missed a great bunch of people who I like to call my friends. I shall always be eternally grateful to Westerwitch for setting this site up, she is fair and always supportive of others and does a brilliant job.

Camilla being of the ever so delicate personalityRolling Eyes easily can take offence with snide remarks, I think we have to respect each other, but at the same time to be civilised and polite, hence what my Mother always said... treat others as you would like to be treated.

Posted by: Camilla on 23rd Apr 2008 at 10:28AM

WW I only got you 2 pms this morning. As you know I am on holiday with my daughter so will respond to you on my return>

I do have limited internet access


Posted by: Miss penelope on 23rd Apr 2008 at 10:54AM

though why does my Hmmmmmmmm sound different fro A N Others?

Posted by: Miss penelope on 23rd Apr 2008 at 10:56AM

Westerwitch's Avatar But you also have the time to put up a post and to comment on other posts and in the forums . . . this is not a matter I want to leave hanging for your sake and for everyone elses.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 23rd Apr 2008 at 10:56AM

Suffolkmum's Avatar I left CL 'cos all my mates were off. I didn't particularly want to hang around because there was a bit of a sour aftertaste after the competition had gone rather spectacularly of-course. I liked feeling part of a group of friends - though I would say we've always been very non-exclusive - and I wanted it to continue. I had to laugh when I read Jane's comment - I feel like I've known a lot of people on here for ages, though I've never met most of them, and also feel like I can let down my defences. I nodded away when she said she could do it to Milla with impunity 'cos she's known her for ages - then I suddenly realsed that I hadn't but felt like I had!!

Miss P, I'm sure we all feel the same about bullying - loathe it and won't stand for it. I've never noticed any on here YET you yourself did seem to go through a phase of jumping on Faith every time she made a comment. You could of course say that it is none of my business, but I couldn't help noticing. Perhaps there was no bad intent there at all, but your very robust way of coming across when something clearly irritates you can be misconstrued. Just goes to show how difficult writing instead of talking face to face can be.

I hope you and WW sort it all out, I find you sparky and interesting and never afraid of coming forward with an opinion. There's room for us all, so long as we all play nicely, which we seem to, for the majority of the time.

Posted by: Suffolkmum on 23rd Apr 2008 at 11:14AM

Westerwitch's Avatar It wasn't about the Hmmmmmm and you know that - do you want to work with me, or not and by the way this is going it is looking more like not which is disappointing. As Suffolkmum has said you are sparky and interesting - but you do have a tendency to be negative and unpleasant and the latter has no place on this site.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 23rd Apr 2008 at 11:59AM

Tattie Weasle's Avatar I left CL becuase I missed my friends and that is how I think of you all. I was banned by the powers that be (not the community) at CL 'cos I made a nuisance of myself re the competition.
I like the people and personalities here because they inspire me, they make me feel safe, they make me laugh, they make me think. I am honoured to be part of this wonderful group.
I hope there is room for all - as long as we all are sensitive/have respect for/to each other - if in doubt hold back...

Posted by: Tattie Weasle on 23rd Apr 2008 at 12:49PM

Crystal Jigsaw's Avatar Cor blimey, I've only been to the hairdressers Shocked

Posted by: Crystal Jigsaw on 23rd Apr 2008 at 01:08PM

Milla's Avatar and I've been to the dentist's sob. (but it was fine, get you all your very own Swedish dentist, they are fab)

Posted by: Milla on 23rd Apr 2008 at 01:21PM

Grouse's Avatar When we put our thoughts out there in Cyberspace, we have to be prepared to beshot down occasionally: we dut the stuff there for scrutiny and must not expect the response to always be favourable. It requires a certain amount of trust in your fellow bloggers, however, to take what you write in the spirit in which you wrote it.
There are some people who simply find it very difficult express themselves in this medium and some who find it even harder to understand to understand what has been said without taking offence. If you fall into either category then I will say what I have said in the past: 'Blogging is not for you'. I ldidnt give a hoot about the CL comp but joined here because I was invited. It has made a glorious effort NOT to censor a la CL and this has worked because if someone is upsetting the apple cart we say so. Ouspoken honesty is a two-way road.
Stop taking yourself so seriously. I have been known to overstep the mark on occasions as I am not the most patient of people, but if I'm in the wrong I come back and say so and we all have a good laugh at my expense, ditto the other outspoken people on the site. That's what friends do. Nobody is perfect (except Camilla of course- sorry C) and what makes this site a group of friends rather than just another site is that we all accept that. So get off your high horse, accept that at times you misjudge the situation and drop the front. Sadly if you cannot I can see this being another site you are banned from-through pride- and it neednt be.

Posted by: Grouse on 23rd Apr 2008 at 02:28PM

Withy Brook's Avatar I left CL for the same reason as most of you, only indirectly because of the competition. I felt that people that I was getting to know and like had been badly treated. Most of those that I wanted to get to know better were leaving, so I left too.
I sometimes write with some fear that I will be misunderstood - no body language to help, or really the chance to explain.
Penny, I have got to know you well and am fond of you. I have been very surprised by your responses sometimes and wondered what you were on about, but it did not stop be liking you, just made me wonder why. Please try to work it all out with WW. I should hate it if you left. I would rather have put this in a PM, but feel that as it is all out in the open, my support should be too.

Posted by: Withy Brook on 23rd Apr 2008 at 02:40PM

Hello Miss P
I have to echo everyone elses comments.

Hope you and WW can sort things out because this site is full of some of the fairest and most decent people you could ever find.

Everyone here will pounce if there continues sniping, negativity and ongoing bad feeling, even if it isn't intentional.
That's because there has developed here something rather special and we respect that and protect each other.

That does not mean that we all sit here with our mouths gagged and don't say what we want to keep everything hunky dory and falsely rosy. We all voice our opinions, some quite forceably-but we do it with respect and consideration for others no-one takes offence.

I left CL of my own choice-I hated the bitching and backbiting and what went on in the competiton.
I was so put off that when I moved across her to show solidarity to the stalwarts of the old site I never intended blogging again. It is testimony to these wonderful folks that I re-gained my confidence and continue a year on to play an active part in discussions and blogs.
We've created something bigger and much better over here which is going from strength to strength.

The family/close friend feel to this site was not created here by accident. As everyone says, it is a site full of kind compassionate, like-minded people who all have huge respect for each other.

If you class yourself in that category than you are welcome to stay with us.
If not perhaps you may be better setting up a site of your own with your own type of people...

CL is long gone and we all moved on from it a year ago...
So I genuinely hope that whatever is bothering you is soon resolved because we don't want this site unsettled by ongoing negativity and bad feeling...

Posted by: Country Craft Angel on 23rd Apr 2008 at 02:44PM

Westerwitch's Avatar Thank you Withy and everyone.

So the hand of friendship is there Miss P are you going to take it, or bite it.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 23rd Apr 2008 at 02:50PM

Milla's Avatar What wise words from so many people.

Posted by: Milla on 23rd Apr 2008 at 02:55PM

Ivy's Avatar As I never entered the competition I couldn't have left because of it. Some of my "friends" however got so severely attacked by members that I no longer wanted to stay. I left for Rural Muse. I am still a member there and it is a very friendly site only not as interesting as PC I say in all honesty.Rolling Eyes I missed quite a number of you folks so asked dear WW for permission to come aboard in September. I have not regretted this but at times I rather seriously doubt my knowledge of the English language as people take offence where it is clearly not necessary (or so I think)

Posted by: Ivy on 23rd Apr 2008 at 03:03PM

Milla's Avatar You always sound completely English Ivy, your command of the language seems perfect to me.
I agree that sometimes offence is clearly taken and I can't work out how. Maybe we are all sometimes too keen not to appear to be causing trouble that we are overly polite where there is no need because we have to be able to express ourselves.
And to answer Miss P's original comment, wasn't banned from CL. Left, then agreed with Jane that after a year it was a bit silly them keeping our blogs hanging around still on their front page so asked for them to be removed (at which point someone called Bean leapt in on CL to point out that Bill had been my husband, yeah, thanks, I had fessed up actually). Then they wiped all my logging in etc, but since this was part and parcel of my request to be removed from the site, who can blame them.
One interesting thing, and sorry to bang on about CL again, is something I found recently, a comment Mousie had left on an old blog of mine saying that lots of people (including her) had had multiple log ins (Jane I know has admitted to being Mongoose). She said it made it easier for commenting, and for having stern words with poor Susie (?) and Kitty. Had to chortle at the thought of Mousie logging in and out as diff people, and would, of course, love to know who her other half was. Maybe we should all have 2 personalites here, one we all know and love, a sort of well-behaved daytime version and one a mad rabid animal, a Mr Hyde, who launches in and bites people. No-one would know whose hidden identity was whose - a bit like an anonymous, oh what's that thing called in Northern Lights, a daemon? Months of potential fun. No? Oh, perhaps not. OK then. Shuffles off to collect children muttering about good behaviour.

Posted by: Milla on 23rd Apr 2008 at 03:13PM

Westerwitch's Avatar Gawd Milla - don't even THINK about it . . .sigh . . naughty corner . . . whistles and pretends that TT is a genuine . . .er . . . chainsaw that has signed up . . . .runs ArrowArrowArrow

Posted by: Westerwitch on 23rd Apr 2008 at 03:18PM

Pondside's Avatar Whew - went to bed, and while I was sleeping everyone was doing what they've always done since this site opened up - working things out and letting fresh air in around a subject. Must get ready for work, but two things occur to me - first, Miss P, everyone has been clear that the choice is yours. I hope you'll let that chip fall off your shoulder and just enjoy the site. Second - Ivy - I am constantly amazed at your mastery of the English languagy. You are inspiring - you're example has actually encouraged me to try out my Spanish on another forum - and it will never be as good as your English! Your presence on the site makes us truly international!

Posted by: Pondside on 23rd Apr 2008 at 03:30PM

Pondside's Avatar .......and look at all the mistakes in the above post - I should go back and edit them, but no time! Sloppy English from this Canadian, but I know I'll be forgiven!!!

Posted by: Pondside on 23rd Apr 2008 at 03:31PM

Ivy's Avatar Wasn't fishing for compliments -honestEmbarassedEmbarassedEmbarassedEmbarassed

Posted by: Ivy on 23rd Apr 2008 at 03:35PM

Suffolkmum's Avatar Have to agree with Pondside, Ivy, your English is pretty damn falultess. I have been wondering if I could hold my own with such aplomb on a French or Italian site and the answer is definitely non.

Milla, am quite tempted by the idea of letting my alter ego out to play, but am far too afraid of the chainsaw. Always defer to authority, me. It never even occured to me to have another identity on CL - so I'm not only cowardly but an innocent abroad, I fear!

Posted by: Suffolkmum on 23rd Apr 2008 at 03:41PM

Withy Brook's Avatar me too

Posted by: Withy Brook on 23rd Apr 2008 at 04:01PM

Muddyboots's Avatar l left CL site, not because l was asked to or banned but because l chose to follow my newly found cyberfriends across to PC, and i must say l have enjoyed every minute so far.

All the above points raised by members are seconded by me. So l wont waste space by going on and on. We all have different ideas, opinions, back grounds and jobs and it is great to be able to discuss such a wide range of topics with such a fantastic crowd.

I too do not like bullying but l also don't like snide comments that drop into postings from time to time, sometimes things are better not said rather than trying to point score.

l would say we are all pretty open about our opinions and some first rate discussions have taken place without the need for anyone to take the hump, surely this is what makes us all such an intersting group?

Posted by: Muddyboots on 23rd Apr 2008 at 04:23PM

Elizabethm's Avatar I think sm speaks very much for me in what she has said. I left cl to stay with my cyberfriends although still have a subscription. I think the competition was bungled and mismanaged but don't think there was any plot. It was all just a bit of a mess.

I very much hope you will stay with us miss p. There is room for all of us on here. As jane says it is easy to find an email comment curt or abrupt and to lose the tone in which it is said. Irony and ambiguity go out the window. Let's live and let live

Posted by: Elizabethm on 23rd Apr 2008 at 05:38PM

Exmoorjane's Avatar Can I just point out that good old mongoose was borrowed by several other CLers in her time!
Also agree totally with Muddyboots that we should be able to have great conversations and, yes, arguments too - nothing so boring as everyone politely agreeing.....but, as you say, without anyone taking the hump(how I love that expression).

Posted by: Exmoorjane on 23rd Apr 2008 at 08:27PM

Westerwitch's Avatar I have put up an announcement on the Private Forum.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 23rd Apr 2008 at 08:28PM

Cait's Avatar I wasn't banned from CL but I had a long post about the competition taken down, I have a feeling it may be back again as I had a quick visit there recently looking up children's books stuff.

We were treated badly there and I along with others decided to make a swift exit and to try to stay together with our new 'friends'. Hooray for WW and co. who did a sterling job setting up this site.

PC is a special place, I don't think there can be another like it. We all get along and only once have I been hurt by what someone has said to me. In that situation I received support from other kind souls on here and tried hard to contain my Irish temper.

People who want to hurt others are the ones with a problem, I understand that. People who dislike others usually hate themselves. I have however noticed others being 'got at' and that has made me sad as I feel for them. Some people get a kick out of stirring up trouble. Some people think they are always right and no-one else can have an opinion on a subject.

The power of kindness and love will always win over negative jibes. I want all of us to stay, don't want anyone to feel pushed out but we must show respect and be kind which most of us do all the time and in bucketfuls.

Posted by: Cait on 23rd Apr 2008 at 08:34PM

Withy Brook's Avatar I have had personal and recent experience of how lovely you all are. All groups of people are bound to have glitches occasionally - the important thing is that, once it is sorted out, we learn from past mistakes and go forward stronger. I have great faith that that is exactly what will happen. Here's to Purple Coo and all the Cooers and love you all!!!!!. (sorry exclamation marks)

Posted by: Withy Brook on 23rd Apr 2008 at 09:18PM

Frances's Avatar Good evening from New York.
As I am eating my pasta and drinking my red wind, I do so agree with Cait.
Cait. Just one of the many friends that I have met here, even though we are an ocean apart..
This is a positive site. A generous site. It has contributed so much to so many.
Can we not just continue our anniversary celebration?

Posted by: Frances on 24th Apr 2008 at 01:12AM

KittyB's Avatar Oh heck - just found all this. Looks like I'm too late to make any useful comment (as if...)
I'm confused by Mousie-but-not on CL having stern words with me, can't remember anyone being stern. Maybe I'm too thick and it all went over my head. Please don't all start having alter-egos, it does my head in, to use a particularly fine yoof-ism. I mean, why? If you want to be unkind, please just be honest about it. I don't like all this, may just slink away myself for a bit until the dust settles.

Posted by: KittyB on 24th Apr 2008 at 09:56AM

Suffolkmum's Avatar Not you Kitty, I think Milla meant Kitty Corrigan at CL. x

Posted by: Suffolkmum on 24th Apr 2008 at 12:00PM

ooooop's late again you've not gone have you miss p? I know you where a bit "MAD" on cl "I LURKED" and watched as a group led by the ever knowing know it all "O" condemned everyone as Trolls! Methodicaly tore people to shreds Hence CM it wasnt nice .. But here you've been a different person and i'll miss you. Maybe the storys evolved but i havent been on and i havent read any other threads which may have led to this ,Whatever the outcome Winkyou obviously enjoy what you do! TTFN

Posted by: Bodran on 24th Apr 2008 at 06:01PM

Ps wasnt in the comp I left to be with me mates and thank heavens for Mongoose who kept coming to my rescue while i was still trapped over there..

Posted by: Bodran on 24th Apr 2008 at 06:03PM

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