Cowart's Common Room
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Sorry sorry very late - coffee is er in the pot - the bean of the day has been smashed into granules and called Gold Blend.

Usual Fruit teas and my lemon merangy thingy . . .

Discussion of the day - should we cage animals and keep them as pets? I have kept just about everything furred, feathered and scaled and many legged - but over the years came to the conclusion that it was actually wrong to cage animals for our own pleasure.

My biggest gripe is people bringing in wild caught exotic animals - that is so . . . well . . . wrong.

I have my fish - all captive bred and in the case of the Parrot Fish - a hybrid - they don't exist in the wild . . . but should we be breeding hybrids - that is an argument for another day . . .

So what do you think - should we cage animals, or not?

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Posted at 21st May 2010 - 11:20AM   Posted by Westerwitch   Eeeeek Cofffeeeeeee Comments: 7

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Jaynebeth's Avatar I must admit although I like most animals I really am not driven to own them. I'm happy to visit friends with cats/dogs/bunnies etc but couldn't be arsed to look after one myself.

I do have a parrot who lives in a cage and I quite agree it is wrong - however animals bred in this country are almost certainly destined for cages - there's no ability to liberate and hope they'd cope.

Posted by: Jaynebeth on 21st May 2010 at 12:08PM

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Well, there was a time when people could only see us Bears if we were in a zoo. But with the internet, and the vast array of resources and pictures and the like, I don't know.

On the other hand, there are some animals which are close to being gone; we might cage some temporarily while we try to increase their numbers. That is being done successfully with creatures as various as Peregrine Falcons and Swift Foxes, both endangered species out here.

Her Ladyship, Miss Sadie, isn't caged; she can pretty much go wherever she wants in the house. The only places "off limits" are places where she might find things which could hurt her. Besides, she is becoming a "helping creature"; people in long-term care facilities (like others) benefit from contact with animals through lower blood pressure and other health maintenance. And frankly, Miss Sadie isn't suffering; my biggest worry is that I'll feed her too much. Very Happy

Don't know if I answered your question, WW, but there are some thoughts. From a Bear. Wink

Posted by: Rob-bear on 21st May 2010 at 12:18PM

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Dancing Dog's Avatar I was brought up with animals, we always had a dog, hamster, budgie, fish tank, and then African Gray parrots. My step-daughters had bunnies for a while (before I married their Dad). I don't have a problem with Parrots, as they are usually allowed out of their cages and they are such interactive creatures that I think they are happy.

The older I get, the less I like animals in cages, I just don't see the point of them sitting in there, staring out at us.

I hate zoos, unless they are breeding to save a species. The apes always bring me to tears, they look so forlorn, and don't even get me started on the circus.

Posted by: Dancing Dog on 21st May 2010 at 12:43PM

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CalicoKate's Avatar Oooh a really challenging topic for today WW.
From a personal point of view I hate birds and fish in cages and tanks.
I have cats and dogs but all are 'free range' have had guineapigs, rabbits, hamsters etc when small and everyone has them. Not sure I would now unless they had a very large run and interaction everyday. Can't abide rabbit hutches where a poor solo animal never gets out of the wooden box.
Can't remember the last time I went to a zoo and have never been to the circus.
I feel strongly about cruelty to animals full stop and wish that I had the commitment to become Vegan (although I don't think that that would actually solve anything, but am inspired by my friend who is and her strength of believe and commitment to it) as I have recently discovered some of the truth about the dairy industry that I think I would rather not know. I have been buying free range eggs for years - long before it was popular to do so.

As for hybrids really difficult question as when does it become frankenstein and man gets too carried away, same thing re GM crops. I am inherently against it but then hear about special rice that can cope with altered growing conditions and how it is able to feed millions and think, Oh that was a good idea. So am nothing if not a little confused about it. I suppose that there has always been selcetive breeding in plants and animals which is why we have the variety of species that we have today. I do think that it can be taken to far.
'Man' has to know when to stop and I don't know that 'he' does.

Posted by: CalicoKate on 21st May 2010 at 01:06PM

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Tiggywinkle's Avatar I don't have any animals any more, because of the B&b, and I must say I miss having a dog around, and was raised with lots of pets. However I have access to friends' animals - Donkey, ponies, horses, ducks, hens and dogs which is great. I also have the birds nesting in the garden that gives hours of enjoyment. I am not really in favour of caged animals, circus animals, and zoo animals that don't have a good environment.

Posted by: Tiggywinkle on 21st May 2010 at 01:13PM

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Preseli Mags's Avatar I'm far too late for coffee! I've had a bit of a busy day. Any of that pie left? No? Rolling Eyes As for animals in cages - I used to hate seeing some of the awful conditions zoo animals were kept in.

Last year we bought one of those big cages for our dog to travel in. He tried it out for size and moved in. He loves it as it's his bolt hole, especially if we have over enthusiastic children to visit. He feels safe in there and is a much more confident doggy now. My friend the vet approves too. The rest of the time he has 22 acres to run about in, so I think he's okay!

Our guinea pigs have their cage for much the same reason. It's quite a big cage (GPs need a lot of space) and they recognise it as their safe and secure place. Like CK I hate those wooden hutches which are too small with a rabbit staring miserably out at you. Our GPs are currently on the lawn in the run on this lovely sunny day. They are very sociable and they live in our utility room, coming out to chat to everyone who goes into the bathroom!

One caged thing which really upsets me is animals kept for fur. Unfortunately people have liberated them in the past and now mink are a problem in rural areas. I don't think anything should be kept in a cage that is too small for it (pigs, battery hens, domestic pets). Everything has a right to freedom, even if it has to be a VERY big cage to give that feeling. (Which is why I'm also not keen on stables for herd animals like horses - but I'd better stop here!)

Posted by: Preseli Mags on 21st May 2010 at 04:15PM

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Silverhead's Avatar I'm with you Rob bearWink

Posted by: Silverhead on 23rd May 2010 at 12:27AM

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