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I have just been looking at our District Council's plans to extend the conservation area I live in, to discover, they have listed my cottage!

I am not sure if this is a mistake, because although the property we adjoin is grade 2* listed, we have never been. Wonder when they will get around to telling us? I am hoping is is just a mistake and the result of an over ambitious cartographer's colouring in building lines.

Posted at 5th Nov 2009 - 01:43PM   Posted by Zoe   Yikes! Comments: 12

Inthemud's Avatar Crumbs, hope it is a mistake.
Can they just List a property without discussion with you first?

Posted by: Inthemud on 5th Nov 2009 at 02:07PM

Milla's Avatar Yes, muddie, they can. This happened at our house before last and it's a pain in the neck. Sounds good. Isn't. Endless restrictions on doing anything and extra forms to fill in, as well. We liked it so much the next house we bought was listed, too. Confused This time it worked in our favour since some of the work was deemed essential and therefore zero rated for VAT - so there can be an upside to it.

Posted by: Milla on 5th Nov 2009 at 02:20PM

Congratulations! Lots of beaurocracy for you to look forward to now. Been there, done that, got the boxes and boxes of files to prove it. Sold the building to someone else, best thing we did.

There were so many listed buildings in my village that they actually downgraded over half of the Grade III so they had less to deal with. Our Grade II stayed put though and became a nightmare everytime we wanted to do something. Don't you just love being caught up between the planners of the Council, National Parks, and Cadw (or English Heritage) when they can't agree?

Posted by: Celtic Heart on 5th Nov 2009 at 02:28PM

why the sarcasm, CH?

I am just hoping it remains a huge mistake, it is not something I wish to happen to my property, the restrictions of a conservation area are quite enough thanks, cant even change the colour of the paintwork outside without PP.

A little careful delving on the council website, should hopefully turn up an answer, without having to speak to an official.

Posted by: Zoe on 5th Nov 2009 at 02:35PM

Withy Brook's Avatar English Heritage list properties. Conservation areas are done by the Council. Yes, you can find if you are listed from the EH web site. I got the listing for our church from there - forget its address but that won't be a problem for you Zoe. If you are wanting to make alterations, then I hope you are right and not listed. If just minor repairs then no problem. We are ll*. When we wanted to build on the Conservatory, you would have thought we were on a par with York Minster. Several years later and a better design and no problem at all.

Posted by: Withy Brook on 5th Nov 2009 at 02:53PM

Salle de Bain's Avatar My friend owned a cottage (in Gosport) where the whole street was a conservation area. She loved it as it meant that no ugly development could encroach on what was a very pretty spot, and it kind of gave everyone pride in what they had because it was so special to them.

Grade II does of course have it's problems re: costs of maintenance and renovation, and I well remember a neighbour (when I lived in Cornwall) rushing to put in upvc windows quickly when they had a tip-off that they were about to be assessed for listing.

That lane is now a pretty picture....all the cottages have wooden sash windows except for that's quite a talking point...even now.

Council offices are very helpful if you need info on this....

Posted by: Salle de Bain on 5th Nov 2009 at 03:04PM

Sarcastic? Begging your Pardon. If you've taken offence, sorry, it was simply my pitiful attempt at some humour which seems to be the way of most here. Doesn't matter what I do, I always seem to put my foot in it with someone or another, might be better if I wasn't here?

Posted by: Celtic Heart on 5th Nov 2009 at 03:04PM

Arosebyanyothername's Avatar No, Celtic Heart, I wouldn't be better if you weren't here. I think your jokey tone was okay but sometimes the printed word sounds different in your head when you are writing it to what it sounds like to the person reading it. Does that make sense?
Anyway, I usually enjoy what you write and it is not possible to please everyone all the time. I am sure it was heartfelt.

Posted by: Arosebyanyothername on 5th Nov 2009 at 03:10PM

noooooo CH Sad --wouldn't be the same without you. -your humor helps me more than I can say and I know your heart is always in the right place.

Posted by: Seashell Cosmos on 5th Nov 2009 at 03:43PM

Westerwitch's Avatar I think this is a case of a total misunderstanding between you CH and Zoe - I think CH was actually empathising with you Zoe, not trying to be sarcastic, although equally I can see how it came across that way.

CH alot has happened to you and you are clearly very raw and reactionary which is completely understandable . . . because one seemingly negative remark doesn't mean you have to leave us, nor would we want you to. Zoe did in actual fact just simply ask why the sarcasm . . . she was not aggressive about it and I believe she was asking because she wasn't sure what you meant. Very difficult when you can't hear the tone of the voice etc.

May I suggest that you take this to PM and chat it through as you are both clearly getting upset which is so sad to see as there isn't any need.


Posted by: Westerwitch on 5th Nov 2009 at 03:52PM

WW thanks for the explanation.

CH, please don't go anywhere, it was just a question as I was unsure about your response.

Withy, I have had a look as you suggested, and found the listing for the other half the house, Phoenix House, but nothing related to us. The listed building status post dates the division of the estate into 2 properties, mine and next door, and the building of 5 x 5 bed neo Georgian properties on the grounds. Hopefully that means, we are not worthy of listing (we are after all only the coach house and stabling for the original house), and the listing only applies to next door.

Posted by: Zoe on 5th Nov 2009 at 05:35PM

Withy Brook's Avatar That sounds good, Zoe but perhaps needs clarification especially after the council apparently putting you as listed.

Posted by: Withy Brook on 5th Nov 2009 at 05:43PM

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