Cowart's Common Room

A few days ago I noticed a group of caravans, vans and cars parked on an area of wide grass verge on the edge of a housing development in nearby Plymouth. This morning as I drove past there were several Plymouth City council vans at the impromptu site. Thinking to see all cleared away on my return journey I was suprised to see porta loos and big waste bins added to the site, presumably by the council. The latter appeared not to be being used.
Can't help wondering what the official reaction would be had I parked our small camper in similar circumstances?

Posted at 4th Nov 2009 - 05:33PM   Posted by Lily   Travellers Comments: 8

Westerwitch's Avatar You'd be asked to move . . . we get the same thing in a layby near the village and the mess they leave is so inconsiderate and selfish. They are unlikely to be paying council tax - so who do they think is responsible for their rubbish as they don't seem to think they are.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 4th Nov 2009 at 09:35PM

Westerwitch's Avatar Although they don't get given portaloos etc - who is paying for that then?

Posted by: Westerwitch on 4th Nov 2009 at 09:36PM

Frances's Avatar Is there any way that you all get to speak to local government about this, or vote, or ... are you just to be on the receiving end?

Know I am writing from across the pond, but still wonder about how different countries treat similar situations. That was alway what I loved about traveling. (I have never camped out. My traveling always led to a fine hotel or charming b and b.) xo

Posted by: Frances on 5th Nov 2009 at 03:17AM

Pipany's Avatar My kind of travelling Frances Very Happy

Posted by: Pipany on 5th Nov 2009 at 09:26AM

Pimsonthelawn's Avatar Two years ago we had a problem with travellers, they descended on a local field and within a few days the site was littered with rubbish including guttering, broken flagstone from old driveways and the worst tarmac which is still on the field today. The local council would not get involved and said that the land owner was totally responsible.

I think it was last year, I had gone to Lancaster University to collect my daughter, they have beautiful fields on the approach road to the uni with a large duck pond, i was no more than twenty minutes collecting her on our way out we could not believe our eyes the field was covered with caravans. Again huge mess was left, the uni had to foot the bill.

Sorry this is very un pc. going now before i get into trouble.

Posted by: Pimsonthelawn on 5th Nov 2009 at 12:27PM

Lily's Avatar May not be PC Pims but a fact none the less.
WW, I looked online at the local paper for Plymouth, apparently the cost to clean up is in the region of 8,000 each time. This being the third time at the same spot.
I don't live in Plymouth, but friends who do and pay their council tax to PCC are not at all happy.

Posted by: Lily on 5th Nov 2009 at 12:33PM

Ivy's Avatar Who are they ( I mean the travellers) and what makes them behave like that? when I was at school in England nearly thirty years ago, we had two little boys at the boarding house who were put into boarding school by the council ( or who ever was responsible) because their parents were travellers. I never figured out what travellers really are. Are they Gypsies ( don't know if that is PC) are they "just " homeless or what makes them roam the country in their caravans?

Posted by: Ivy on 5th Nov 2009 at 01:12PM

Pimsonthelawn's Avatar Yes Ivy they are Gypsies but the word gypsy is unacceptable now, they upset people because they park on any area of land they see fit, don't pay any taxes and then leave, usually when they have been forced to by the land owner. In some areas they have set up home on green belt land, maybe blocking someone's beautiful view and then been told that they have the right to buy the land to set up as a permanent home.

Not sure why they live like they do, it could be so they don't pay taxes etc. but the children can't have a normal school life.

I think that the travellers of 30 years ago respected the land and surrounding more.

Posted by: Pimsonthelawn on 5th Nov 2009 at 05:39PM

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