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So what is more dangerous - Cannabis, Ecstasy, LSD, or Alcohol and Fags!!!!!

For me personally I believe Cannabis is far less dangerous that alcohol and fags - although you would probably need to smoke to inhale Cannabis. Don't agree with Ecstasy, or LSD being less dangerous though . . . I know people who thirty odd years later still get acid flashbacks and of course people have died from doing stupid things when they were hallucinating . . . and taking Ecstasy can be fatal.

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Posted at 2nd Nov 2009 - 01:29PM   Posted by Westerwitch   Dangerous, or not Comments: 16

Westerwitch's Avatar I have never seen anyone who has been smoking Cannabis behave in the violent stupid way that people who drink too much do . . . give me a 'pot head' for company any day over that of a binge drinker.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 2nd Nov 2009 at 01:31PM

The argument against Cannabis is that the type now being sold - Skunk, is very much more potent than earlier variants and has been implicated in the cause of mental illnesses in the vulnerable.

Cannabis is a useful treatment in some illnesses, its a good pain killer and antispasmodic. You don't have to smoke cannabis to benefit from it either, although I am not comfortable having a discussion about usage and how to in public, so will leave that for another day.

Posted by: Zoe on 2nd Nov 2009 at 01:36PM

Westerwitch's Avatar We could always move this into our Private Open Forum if people wished.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 2nd Nov 2009 at 01:42PM

Lily's Avatar I think the problem is the newer types of cannabis, now known as skunk.
There appears to be much anecdotal evidence that it is this newer stuff which can lead to paranoia etc. So the effects may not be as overtly dramatic as with alcohol, but more devastating for the families involved.
There may well be less scientific evidence to back this, but I imagine it would be harder to demonstrate in a scientific way.

Posted by: Lily on 2nd Nov 2009 at 02:32PM

Preseli Mags's Avatar Imagine a Saturday night in your local town. Club/pub chucking out time, no alcohol - only cannabis. How peaceful it would be!

Having said that I have no experience of drugs except reporting court cases and inquests. No cannabis-fuelled punch ups, no cannabis deaths. Alcohol punch ups and deaths galore. Lots of people being fined for growing cannabis though.

It's a shame that cannabis is so outlawed because the agricultural version is utterly brilliant. Hemp rope anyone? Hemp seed, hemp clothing, hemp oil. It grows like a weed anywhere and is a big, tall productive crop, easy to harvest and with hundreds of uses. But it cannot be cultivated because of the drug (except under special license). How nuts is that?

(Agricultural hemp does not contain any of the 'high' ingredients.)

Posted by: Preseli Mags on 2nd Nov 2009 at 03:57PM

Westerwitch's Avatar So with you on all of this and if it was legal then the paranoia causing skunk would be out . . . we would all be growing our own 'healthy' cannabis. No more addiction to pain killers . . . cheap and effective treatment for alot of painful illnesses . . .the government could tax good quality resin . . . I do get cross when Cannabis gets such a bad press and yet the same people that write the stories and the people that read them no doubt drink and possibly smoke . . . helllloooooooo they are drugs too . . . pot . . .kettle . . .black.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 2nd Nov 2009 at 04:04PM

Withy Brook's Avatar Don't know about cannabis but have a cousin who was set to be a really tallented musician. Aged about 18 he overdosed on Ecstasy and has never been the same since - now in his late 30's. He lived - just.....

Posted by: Withy Brook on 2nd Nov 2009 at 04:09PM

Fennie's Avatar Personally I would legalise all drugs. Full stop. Let people stew their brains if they want. But I think as soon as drugs were legalised a lot of the cachet would disappear. What would disappear too would be the crime and the pushers and the violence associated with drug dealing. Addicts would also get drugs of known purity - so less people dying as a result of contamination or unknown doses. The net benefit would be sure to outweight the net harm.

Tobacco kills - but alcohol in excess kills other people as well as you. You cannot pretend alcohol is not inherently dangerous unless taken with great moderation.

Posted by: Fennie on 2nd Nov 2009 at 04:30PM

Snailbeachshepherdess's Avatar Tell you what - come and do my job for a couple of weeks and see the misery, mental illness, psychological problems, total melt down of those who have hit crime to support a runaway drug habit that started with cannabis. Come and see the cannabis users that are now in their fifties and sixties that look at least 80 and cannot even hold a conversation any more. Come and see how much money is poured into trying to bring these people back into society - sadly not many make it.

Posted by: Snailbeachshepherdess on 2nd Nov 2009 at 07:32PM

Fennie's Avatar Would drug use increase if drugs were legalised? I am not sure that it would significantly.

Posted by: Fennie on 2nd Nov 2009 at 07:52PM

Westerwitch's Avatar Completely take your point SBS - I do wonder though if they weren't on drugs which started with Cannabis whether these 'type' of people wouldn't simply be on something else. There are people that need a 'crutch' and have an addictive personality. Not everyone who indulges in Cannabis ends up on hard drugs in the same way that not everyone who drinks becomes an alcoholic, or people who have the odd flutter become addicted to gambling, or people who diet become anorexics.

Posted by: Westerwitch on 2nd Nov 2009 at 07:53PM

Snailbeachshepherdess's Avatar Oh and come and see those responsible for growing the stuff and selling it on to make thousands and thousands in profit - strangely enough they dont sem to take anything - they just rake in the profits from the suckers.
Dont start me on this trail I can go on and on and on >>>>>>>>>

Posted by: Snailbeachshepherdess on 2nd Nov 2009 at 08:01PM

Westerwitch's Avatar Well I guess you see one extreme and very unpleasant side of the problem and all the other 'businesses' that go hand in hand with it.

How does what you see compare with those addicted to alcohol?

Posted by: Westerwitch on 2nd Nov 2009 at 09:02PM

Snailbeachshepherdess's Avatar There is not much to choose between those whose lives have been ruined by drugs or alcohol. What always amazes me is the amount of remorse a young man or woman can feel when they are stone cold sober and facing years in prison for inflicting awful injuries when under the influence - of whatever. About time there was a real good clean up, bring back licensing hours and national service at least.

Posted by: Snailbeachshepherdess on 2nd Nov 2009 at 09:55PM

Angel's Avatar We have very good friends in Aegina, Greece. All boys there still have to do a kind of National Service. I so agree with SBS that this would be a very good thing for many a young person... (especially 'Idle Jack.' - Hem. Hem.)


Posted by: Angel on 2nd Nov 2009 at 10:23PM

Pondside's Avatar Like SBS, I see a lot of addicts in my work. Cocaine, heroin - they're such a scourge. Every addict I've met started with cannabis. I haven't yet met one who started with cocaine or heroin. It's called an entry level drug for good reason.

Posted by: Pondside on 3rd Nov 2009 at 06:40AM

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